i can't attribute to him a senator that promotes amnesty because he wasn't here in the united states congress but i also say to you that although congressman smith is my friend, he is wrong. for the last decade, we have not promoted amnesty. i introduced legislation that talked about legalization and it had to do with paying fines, paying a duty in terms of either service in the military or charitable service. it said get in line and behind all those who had been in line so there were penalties and that's the focus of immigration reform for a decade. but as the president said, we have had nothing but debate and sound bites and no action. now i believe we have an opportunity for action. >> all right. and you believe and despite some members of the house who are republicans who, for example, congressman smith says, he doesn't believe that any proposal will make it through the senate. when you hear those kinds of comments, how do you maintain optimism? >> i guess we'll hear from the president this afternoon and he will probably reinforce access to legalization, access of secure borders